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got time to go out there at 4:30 in the morning and shovel that all back out. They usually put it this high in your drive- way. ACTING MAYOR JOHNSON: This may be impertinent, but could I suggest that you do this at another time? MR. WILLIAM HAIDER, 325 West County Road C-2: We've always had a problem on C-2 with traffic - dogs being killed - you get out there and you're going to jump back in your yard. Why can't they put four-way stops on Galtier, Matilda - that will slow traffic down quite a bit. On C-2 you have stop signs. On Galtier there isn't any. Kids come down with their bicycles - they come right on through - you hear brakes squealing all the time. If there was a stop sign there, even these kids could be educated that you have to stop at a stop sign. ACTING MAYOR JOHNSON: Have there been any traffic studies for that purpose? MR. HONCHELL: Not in the last year or so, but there have been studies in the past on C-2. Part of that is how the stop signs appeared on - I think it was Matilda, but I'm not sure - but that one was going to be one way, it was going to be another way - we went back and forth and finally came to a conclusion. Unfortunately, it's been our feeling - kind of the prevailing view of those dumb traffic engineers - that putting up four-way stops just to slow down traffic is wrong. You may not agree with that, but they find when you start throwing traffic signs up (inaudible) and not provide general safe traveling conditions - I say general, not just to stop speeders - that what the people start doing is disregarding the stop signs that are there and are really needed and if you don't stop you're liable to get run over because there are 10,000 cars going the other way. Studies have really shown that you need to have certain conditions exist to properly put up stop signs. Those conditions ore not merely for speed control. Stop signs are not to be placed merely to control speed. None of those intersections come even close to meeting the accepted (inaudible) for a four-way stop sign. That's why they aren't there today at least. They have been studied in the not too distant past. come don't can't them. MR. HAIDER: They have a playground down there and they down Galtier - cars just go right on through - they lQok. The kids corne down with their bikes and you see them. There are cars parked there - you don't see You always hear brakes squealing. MAYOR DEMOS: Don't we have a two-way stop at least on Galtier? MR. HONCHELL: We have stop signs on all streets that approach C-2, except the intersection - you'll have to -12-