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447 <br />storm water and melt water, could they enter into the same system, and use baffles <br />448 <br />for clean -out once they were captured by that system. <br />449 <br />450 <br />While improvements were being made, Member Stenlund opined that the <br />451 <br />materials were still salt, and the choice was to use it or not use it; but it still ended <br />452 <br />up on the ground or a lake; and the only alternative was to use less or a different <br />453 <br />materials. Member Stenlund noted that the ponds needed to be cleaned out <br />454 <br />anyway, and that the entire residue was not salt. Member Stenlund noted the <br />455 <br />benefits of cleaning ponds closer to the tail of discharge or close to the source of <br />456 <br />discharge. Member Stenlund noted another solution would be in street sweeping <br />457 <br />BMP's or chasing course material somewhere other than typical; another <br />458 <br />educational effort for citizens to determine where they plow snow, as well as <br />459 <br />routes used by the City. Member Stenlund questioned the end costs <br />460 <br />environmentally and ramifications in providing dry pavement in the winter within <br />461 <br />four (4) hours for its citizens and those g area roa s. <br />462 <br />lnay�% <br />463 <br />Chair Vanderwall noted that this uge discussio invo lved the <br />464 <br />impact to vehicles through rust and les. <br />465 <br />*yvofa <br />466 <br />Member Stenlund suggested creation by t e C database of example BMP's <br />467 <br />as part of its investment in water quality, and providing a geocache of those <br />468 <br />opportunities for children to research; making that part of their education for <br />469 <br />future water qualit efforts. <br />470 <br />471 <br />Chair Vanderwall suggested additional public education in the Plan through <br />472 <br />enhanced interfacing with schools. <br />473 <br />474 <br />Mr. Leaf framed tonight's discussion op 'ng that the SWPPP for the MS4 <br />475 <br />program an s regulatory requirements overlapped this Surface Water Plan <br />476 <br />update, with t e overriding goals and policies of the Plan (e.g. clean water, <br />477 <br />promote good practices for snow storage and management) creating standards for <br />478 <br />day-to *y operations. Mr. Leaf advised that the Plan will set a framework of <br />479 <br />goals and policies, with ordinances applied to ensure compliance of others and the <br />480 <br />City, and incorporating and based on the regulatory programs assigned to the City <br />481 <br />as an MS4 City. Mr. Leaf opined that the PWETC feedback was great and S.E.H. <br />482 <br />and staff would now put it together to develop proposed policies, without the Plan <br />483 <br />undermining or usurping the MS4 regulations. <br />484 <br />485 Ms. Bloom noted that Mr. Leaf's outline provided what S.E.H.'s contract with the <br />486 City included for updating the Plan (e.g. goals and policies). Ms. Bloom advised <br />487 that a number of the ideas brought forward would be incorporated into the <br />488 Implementation Plan, with priorities, budget, resources, and staffing addressed as <br />489 part of accomplishing that implementation. Ms. Bloom advised that Mr. Leaf's <br />490 outlined provided the framework or foundation for what the Metropolitan Council <br />491 required in the Plan; with the Implementation Plan over the next ten (10) years <br />492 developed to implement those ideas. <br />Page 11 of 19 <br />