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Regular City Council Meeting Monday, March 26, 2018 Page 9 the existing staffing. He noted that as staff numbers continue to shrink, it will be difficult to be anywhere near compliance with NFPA 1710. Fire Chief O'Neill noted this is also a matter of firefighter safety. As the FD progresses through the attrition of part-time staff, something will have to be done. The part-time numbers have dwindled quicker than anticipat- ed in Phase I. The stated goal is to implement this by 2020, and some- thing will have to be done with staffing, so that the community continues to be protected, from a fire perspective. Councilmember Laliberte asked how the requirement of 15-17 firefighters within 8 minutes is determined. Fire Chief O'Neill stated it is based on the number of people needed to do the task on a fire ground. NFPA 1710 is based off a staffed fire depart- ment, and NFPA 1720 is based off a volunteer fire department. There are different numbers for 1720 than for 1710. Councilmember Willmus recalled that at the outset of Phase I, this came up. He noted that one of the mitigating items brought forward was the mutual aid, auto aid, and emergency situations. Fire Chief O'Neill explained that numbers are being used based on a mod- el of 24 full-time people, at the completion of phase II. That number would provide enough on-duty and off-duty staff to come back and help with emergency situations. That is an appropriate number. As far as auto aid, that has been more beneficial than ever anticipated. He noted that the FD's relationship with the Lake Johanna Fire Department is a very stable relationship. There was an apartment fire 3 or 4 weeks ago, and the auto aid came from Lake Johanna just minutes after the FD and assisted in that operation. He commented further that all the departments in Ramsey County are working closer together than ever. The FD, moving forward, would be looking to enhance auto aid. The staff is designed to handle about 99 percent of call volumes during the day. But for a large event, there is no way to staff for those types of events. Neighbors have to be re- lied on, and the agreements are in place. In that regard, that has to be re- ciprocal. If on-duty staff leaves to help with a fire in Arden Hills, there has to be adequate number of people who are able to come back on-duty, otherwise FD is not available to handle emergencies in the City. Councilmember Etten asked how many house fires or structure fires hap- pen in Roseville in a typical year. Fire Chief O'Neill responded a typical year will see 8 — 10 of those types of incidents.