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Regular City Council Meeting Monday, February 11, 2019 Page 9 ther than just being utilized once a month, as it is now. He thought it would be more of a day-to-day response to assist with that. Some of the design and storag- es would be set up to be much more advantageous to the Fire Department. Councilmember Etten asked if the Fire Department would envision the third en- gine as not being necessary once the City has a ladder with pumping capabilities. Chief O'Neill stated this was looked at and discussed in the staffing program over the last few months and if the answer is the Fire Department will end up with 24 full time people and little to no part time staff coming back for call backs, then the third engine could be looked at to be eliminated for the next go around, the 2025 purchase date. If the Fire Department remains having a large number of call back people, then the third engine would be needed. Councilmember Etten stated he would love to have a conversation about how the City looks at personnel. He thought there were opportunities to look at how this can be done differently and how many vehicles the Fire Department can actually staff if there is a large fire. Chief O'Neill stated another factor that goes into this is the ISO rating, which has not been discussed. ISO evaluates many parts of the Fire Department. He noted the Roseville Fire Department has been rated an ISO rating of 2, which is the best of any Fire Department in the State. He noted there are other 2's but it is lowest rating of any Fire Department in the State of Minnesota and part of that is the number of apparatus the Fire Department has. Maintaining a ladder is crucial to maintaining that ISO rating along with water pump flow. That is what is looked for in determining how and if the Fire Department will be able to maintain its ISO rating. Councilmember Willmus asked by adding the two medic vehicles, has it increased the life expectancy of these other vehicles and has anyone prepared a schedule of what the Fire Department Vehicle Fund will look like going out a few years. Mayor Roe thought this proposal was following the existing schedule. Chief O'Neill indicated that was correct. He stated the Fire Department is push- ing the last payment for the ladder to 2021 so the Fire Department is consistent with not dropping below the line and going into a negative position in the fund. Councilmember Willmus asked how many years the 1.5 million dollars will be spread out. Chief O'Neill stated the first payments would be made in 2020 and 2021. He stated the medic vehicles will help the Fire Department be able to push the pur- chase of the engine from five years to 7.5 years or longer. Currently the way