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Regular City Council Meeting Monday, March 25, 2019 Page 11 to have out there. Just in terms of talking about a suburban Ramsey County re- gional model, one of the things he thought that had been discovered in Roseville's transition over the years is that the fire fighting service is certainly one that has a lot of tradition and history so there can be that institutional resistance to change just because it has been done for years a certain way and he understood that. He agreed that this transition will take some time because every community has dif- ferent needs in regard to the number of calls a year. Councilmember Etten agreed with the thoughts on some sort of a regional model and appreciated the Fire Department looking for ways to share the purchase of equipment with the other cities. Councilmember Etten asked how many times a year does the Fire Department ask for and receive auto aid and mutual aid. Chief O'Neill stated it is about twelve times a year as every time there is a struc- ture fire, the City gets auto aid. He explained there is no way with Roseville's staffing level that the Fire Department can adequately staff a fire with the posi- tions needed by themselves. Even with the eight employees, the Fire Department would not be able to do it but will get a little closer. Councilmember Laliberte stated she thought the City and Fire Department needed to talk about the eight employees unless someone wants to have discussion about changing what the City provides for services because eight full-time employees are based on what the Roseville Fire Department does. Councilmember Etten stated he did not want to change services and thought there were important pieces to this. The question that consistently sits for him is if there is a role for a paid on-call attachment to this for those times when the Fire Department needs help. He would like to have information on why Roseville cannot have all part-time staff when some of the other neighboring cities can do that. Chief O'Neill stated it does not mean that the Fire Department cannot work with all part-time staff but what he has structured for the Council is the most budget ef- ficient model which is the full-time model due to the turn-over. He stated turn- over is the biggest cost associated with part-time staff and is the reason why the Fire Department has strayed away from that completely. When hiring a full-time fire fighter, that individual comes to them fully trained and can basically be on the street the next day. The part-time staff comes to the Fire Department with no training in fire or EMS and takes approximately 2.5 years of training to get the in- dividual up to that. During all of that time, the City is paying for the training, which is extremely expensive and for the worker's hours during that time. What he has found from 2005 to 2013, when the change over was started, was that on average, the part-time people were leaving at 3.3 years, which is basically giving