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Regular City Council Meeting Monday, December 2, 2019 Page 24 Councilmember Willmus explained the scoring and looking at experience of pro- ject managers, etc. that carries significant weight with him. The projects as out- lined in BKV's proposal also carries significant weight and he agreed with Coun- cilmember Groff's comments that from time to time, bringing someone in to get a different perspective is a good thing. There is a significant differential in cost be- tween BKV and LHB and that is something that factors in but with that and look- ing at the other scoring, that is where he is really struggling to go with LHB. Al- so, part of that is knowing the experience the city had with WSB which he was not really excited about, so he was looking to go in a different direction. Councilmember Groff agreed with Councilmember Willmus and he did feel that stretching themselves would not be a bad thing for the city and also there is enough of a gap there where BKV could come back and request more money. He did not think that would be a stumbling block for him and he was also supporting them because he seen some of the projects and felt LHB is a lot more cookie cut- ter whereas BKV was more interesting and forward looking with their projects. Councilmember Laliberte wondered if the maker or seconder had some interest in making it contingent on an estimate of the engagement piece that is a secondary partner, noting the Council does not have that information. Councilmember Willmus explained from his perspective, it is something where the way the motion is worded there is not a cost to exceed number included and the expectation is staff would provide that and have that conversation so everyone is on the same page at that point. He did not see it as being $39,000; he saw it to be something less. Councilmember Groff agreed and thought at that point, the city would have a very specific proposal from that group and an easy decision to make. Mayor Roe asked for clarification of the motion and if it is for staff to enter into an agreement with BKV without necessarily knowing what the component is, does something need to come back to the Council for approval of that component, or how will that happen. Councilmember Willmus indicated he would like to see it come back and for this to be an action where the Council is recommending staff to go out and look to ne- gotiate a professional services agreement with BKV. When the numbers are fi- nalized, staff then comes back to the Council for discussion and approval and that is where the not to exceed number gets approved. Councilmember Etten noted he actually looked at the scoring and came up with some of the same conclusions that some folks down the dais have. In looking at the scoring, even if taking the dollar figures out, he agreed on the scoring. He al- so reviewed the proposals and was struck that BKV never mentioned Roseville af-