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125 more water annually, it is that they are getting more water in one event and the 126 stormwater system then becomes surcharged and it cannot handle that and the pipes 127 overflow. He asked how they handle that and delay the water from getting into the 128 storm water system and that is why they see all the new rain gardens and basins and 129 underground storage systems, which is great but there is a capital cost to install 130 those and there is a growing capital expense to maintain those. The City water 131 system and sewer system are pretty much staying the same. The stormwater system 132 is growing and the City is adding more components to the system, not necessarily 133 pipes but what they call best management practices, retention devices, rain gardens 134 and basins, which all require some sort of maintenance or at some point 135 reconstruction. 136 137 Vice Chair Ficek asked if staff knew how the increased proposed tier for recycling 138 compares to previous years. 139 140 Mr. Culver indicated there was a pretty substantial increase and shift in the rate 141 structure. All of the other utility rates have pretty much only increased by five to 142 six percent. The recycling fee has probably been the most volatile from that 143 perspective because when the City was paying on the revenue structure or cost share 144 structure and making one hundred thousand a year to paying in an additional 145 seventy thousand dollars a year, the City had to make some pretty dramatic changes 146 to the fee structure there. 147 148 Chair Wozniak indicated when they were talking about the recycling fee and slides 149 about increasing the rate to $13.00 or $14.00 per quarter from $12.60, he liked the 150 idea of starting a fund to support purchasing carts several years from now and he 151 would be willing to make that recommendation as a part of an action the 152 Commission makes on these utility rates. He indicated he would not go much 153 beyond $13.30 per quarter for 2022, however, he would suggest going to $15.00 154 for 2023 and even $17.00 for 2024 because it is not that big a jump from $13.00 or 155 $13.30 to $15.00 and then $15.00 to $17.00. He did not know how much money 156 would be raised but it could not hurt to look at the numbers and see how that works 157 out. He explained he would support increasing the rate to start generating a fund 158 to purchase carts at the end of the current contract and he would look at modifying 159 some of the numbers shown and increase it more in the second and third years. As 160 part of that, he would try to find out if staff can get some figures on how much the 161 City might save by having their own carts compared to having a vendor's carts. 162 163 Member Cicha agreed that the numbers do make sense to increase the recycling to 164 build up that kind of capital. He indicated the whole concept of recycling is 165 sustainability and bringing in all these new carts into the system, does that concept 166 work together and is there any way they can try to offset the purchase of the new 167 carts with some other type of sustainable action. 168 169 Mr. Culver explained they would be looking at current numbers which is around 170 sixteen thousand carts plus some percentage for stock. The carts that are out there Page 4 of 6