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16 MAYOR DEMOS: Once a petition has been brought in which contains 35% of the signatures along an affected area, we are required by law to hold a hearing. We have no choice. We are required by law to hold a hearing once the petition is brought in if it contains the signatures of 35% of the property owners. We have no choice. We couldn't arbitrarily say we're not going to do that street. The question in my mind, and I will ask the attorney at this point - if a petition comes in with 35% to pass this - we may be guided by the number of people for or against but that is not the ruling factor. The ruling factor is the votes that are cast on the Council. That would be three votes when something is brought in by petition. If a project is Council initiated, which none of these tonight have been, it requires four votes. My question to you is, since the first petition requesting the improvement had 35%, does that still hold for 3 votes or does it now require 4 votes since some of those people are now on the petition opposing the improve- ment. MR. ROBERT BELL: Because of financing (inaudible) as far as I'm concerned, if the petition met the legal requirements of 35% then obviously 3 out of 4 could vote, but if there's some problem with the petition (inaudible) I suppose the financing people that approve the bond issue (inaudible) you'd have to get the attorney selling the bonds to consider this - if it was a qualified petition that qualified under the 35% then it would only take 3 votes and I'd ask the bond consultant to ask if the bond counsel if the banks would be satisfied that (inaudible) They'd probably say we want all four votes. MAYOR DEMOS: We will need a unanimous vote for this. MR. THORSTENSON: The original petition - if you took another one today you'd get a different result. ~~YOR DEMOS: That's the one we advertised the hearing on - that first petition. COUNCILMAN KEHR: Mr. Bell answered my question before I asked it. Which petition supersedes which one? r1R. BELL: If you have a petition that meets all the require- ments and the banks or everybody is satisfied, but I doubt if you have that kind of petition. That's why they say you require all four votes. MR. RAY ZEILINGER, 2803 North Oxford: I'm for the proposed new road. We need it very badly. The road is in such bad shape we get so poor drainage north of my place there's just water puddles there. I paid $200 assessment for water (inaudible) sewer and I don't get drainage north of my place. My driveway is situated such that they have a curb - they have built up the blacktop so the water runs in the road but it's built up so high when I back out of my driveway my car will botton. Automobiles are expensive and I can't afford to be replacing from bottoming every time I go out of my driveway. I'm paying my taxes also