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MR. JONAS: This one here. My compliments on this excel- lent movie (inaudible). We're dealing with this area right up here where it's flooded. I want to point out that the movie shown showed the deepest level of water in the roadside ditch between here and there. MAYOR LINEBARGER: The transcript will show the words "from here to here" and nobody will know what that means. MR. JONAS: From the corner of Lydia up to this first house on the west side of Hamline, and it was stated previously that this road was flooded several times. The reason the road was flooded, if at all, probably is because there's a depression in the road. It's the lowest point. If the grading would be raised up from Brennan's house to this corner the road would not flood. Secondly, the state or county line that goes underneath here was plugged up. It was just opened a few days ago. If it had not been plugged up we would not have had any flood. It's a matter of jurisdiction with the city and county. But to be more tech- nical, I challenged your engineer at the water control board hearing whether any soundings have been taken in this area across from the Lake Josephine Road with Hamline Avenue to see how the soil layers are and the aquifers to find out whether this water which is now on the playground would be able to soak in if this area would be used as a soaking basin and possibly drain over - not into the lake - but maybe to the old swamp across from the Hamline Shopping Center where there's now an apartment house which, incidentally, caused all the trouble to start out with. Furthermore, I think we're talking much too much in big terms of expenses. We don't need this other intricate drainage system if we rely on natural depressions in the (inaudible) which only comes after storms lik~ we had now and let's (inaudible) out all the pollutants and that means phosphates and lead from automobile ex- haust. We don't want that to accumulate in the lake. I think it's very inconsiderate of the city authorities only to address themselves to people within this area that is being affected be- cause this lake is also in Arden Hills. It drains into Lake Johanna and also affects the public county beach so there should be a strong environmental assessment for that reason alone. I live at 3090 North Hamline which is right here and I have seen how this lake deteriorated over the last five years. It used to be clear. Now it's so full of aquatic (inaudible) that my small sail- boar - I got stuck in weeds right in the middle of the lake and 13