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cul-de-sac and it accumulates in there. Then they try to drain it off into the - what we identify as the Mounds View District school ditch. Here again they're practically trying to make water run up hill. There has been talk about_ this playground which has the aesthetic and recreational value - that it should be turned into a flood plain and holding basin. Here again it's two or three feet above the street. That playground doesn't flood. What you saw in the pictures was the ditch that runs along Hamline Avenue. The playground (inaudible) with the tennis courts flooded - with the pine trees, the evergreens, the swings - that was identified wrong. That's the ditch that's used in there - be it a county ditch - be it a city of Roseville ditch - and I hope that we kind of orientate our thinking. I taught conservation 15 - 20 years - pionee~ed it, in fact, in the St. Paul schools. I realize the problems you have here getting rid of the excess water and those of us that live in the affected area - it isn't just a big storm - it's almost any storm. We get an accumulation of half inch up to a foot and a half. What needs to be done here is to get water to run off into Lake Jose- phine - but water that,'s been settled and treated. Either that or get the county to open up their ditches that are plugged up and have been for years due to sedimentation and get them cleaned out get the city and county working together because I as a tax payer I pay to Roseville or Ramsey County - I'm still paying taxes and that's true of all of usarO. what's needed here is what's mentioned here is to get rid of that water and the contamination that's occuring in Lake Josephine that just didn't occur overnight - the aging of a lake - the process takes 15, 35, 40 years - in the years these people that lived on the lake that dumped their human sewage in there (inaudible) you reap a harvest and blame storm sewer drainage (inaudible) to give some thought to this in this direction& We need it, not because we're floating on a bog, but for aesthetic value, safety of the youngsters, and please, we can't make water run up hill. MR. GERALD ERICKSEN, 1201 Josephine Road: I happen to be the owner of the 60 inch sewer right on our property. Residents of Lake Josephine and the nearby area petitioned (inaudible) the Rice Creek Watershed (inaudible) not to approve. We feel the quality and the quantity of the water in the lake has been ser- iously damaged by existing storm sewers on the lake. The addition l6