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MR. JOSEPH RIVARD: point of order. MAYOR DEMOS: Once only. MR. RIVARD: I appreciate what you say - a petition can come before this body by its own initiative or a petition of 35% of the people on the street asking for a study - not re- questing light. Many of the signatures there did not ask for lights - they asked for a study and I think you and this gentleman are misusing the idea (inaudible) that first petition was a petition for a study and not for lights. MAYOR DEMOS: I appreciate that, and I say there is no purpose in ever doing a study - no purpose whatsoever - unless you have the ultimate goal of doing it. The study is to see, number 1 whether you could fiscally do it, and number two, whether it's feasible in cost, so when a feasibility study is requested of us, we have no other alternative than to think that the people want it. I'd like to (inaudible) don't waste our staff's time, our energy, and don't waste taxpayer's money coming in - MR. RIVARD: Don't waste my breath. COUNCILMAN HESS: Regardless of whether ornamental or regular pole lighting, I would be in favor because of the fact that I live in a neighborhood that's very dark, and after they did get some lighting three years ago, and in the McCarrons Lake area it stopped a lot of crime. The Police Department was there a lot before this, and whether it's the ornamental or the other, I would vote for them, but I would stay with the ornamental though. COUNCILMAN ANDERSON: I suppose I should say something. I have been waiting until the last. I didn't want to be accused of being a Northern States Power employee, so as long as I'm last I might just as well say I'm really in favor of street lighting, and my personal feeling on this is that I don't think lighting has ever hurt anybody. I think darkness has, and there are all kinds of studies and reports that you can find that can prove that statement so it's not something I just dreamed up.