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<br />10 <br /> <br />out of the residential characteristic. <br /> <br />COUNCILMAN KEHR: Why do you feel a 36 foot street with <br />parking on one side versus a 32 foot street would generate <br />more traffic and faster speeds? I don't follow that. <br /> <br />MR. PERMAN: The heavy traffic that is the fast traffic <br />is the traffic that usually appears after six in the evening <br />and it's many times the traffic that appears between 10, <br />midnight or one and two in the morning and this is when we <br />have been having our accidents on that particular street. <br />Two years ago there were several cars that were hit - one <br />was pushed into one of the homes during that period of the day <br />and I'm not certain of the hours of the most recent ones <br />but it's not during the working hours or the daylight hours, <br />and even during those periods traffic does move fast. If <br />our conversations - I'm getting this second-hand - were <br />right, when the review was done within this past week, the <br />speed on the west end of Skillman was very low but the average <br />speed on the east end was 36 miles an hour as quoted by <br />the individuals making the count and they did say that this <br />was anundue speed. <br /> <br />COUNCILMAN KEHR: Did they have a radar to check that <br />speed? <br /> <br />MR. PERMAN: I'm not sure because I'm getting this <br />second-hand. <br /> <br />COUNCILMAN KEHR: What you're really saying is that a <br />36 foot street versus a 32 foot street (inaudible) more <br />traffic other than perhaps being faster. <br /> <br />MR. PERMAN: It will be faster. <br /> <br />COUNCILMAN KEHR: And with the suggested stop signs <br />here in two areas - of course, the engineer didn't put too <br />much faith in that - and according to the tear sheets that <br />he has in our portfolios here - one from Troy, Michigan and <br />one from Cincinnati, Ohio, they seem to say with stop signs <br />like that you have no (inaudible) slowing down traffic. <br /> <br />MR. PERMAN: In previous times the citizens of that <br />street petitioned the Council for street closure - the reason <br />the stop signs were not put in was the fact the noise would <br />be worse than the problem itself. That is the reason <br />extended to us that people leaving a stop sign would be <br />squealing the wheels, but that is no problem to us. We hear <br />the squealing wheels as they come down (inaudible) that is an <br />everyday occurrence. <br /> <br />COUNCILMAN FRANKE: Those are people in your own <br />neighborhood. <br /> <br />MR. PERMAN: That's right. <br />