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long as they have in other locations is that at first we came through with sanitary sewer and replaced one half of the street at that point and then the storm sewer or water and you usually got the other side. So a number of you were improving the temporary street, sometimes two or three times in that period of time. But there's no way you could ever hope for a temporary street to last 40 years. CARL DeSPIEGELAERE: What type of maintenance will this street, if it goes through, in order to prolong - how long- do they figure (inaudible) . MAYOR DEMOS: Mr. Honchell, would you like to tell him what the maintenance schedule is on a street? MR. HONCHELL: First, to go to how long - curb and gutter, of course, as you've probably seen in some of the older cities around the Twin Cities, will last for many years. Conceivably they could last 40 or 50 years (inaudible). The pavement itself is a so-called 20 year design. By that, they take the amount of traffic that is anticipated on that road for a 20 year period and we use that as an analysi~ as to how strong, how deep, to make the roadway. At the end of the 20 years it's typical that there would need to be an asphalt overlay or there may have to be some restoration work done on it. That's not to say there won't be any cracks, there won't be any potholes - certainly those occur to some degree on any road. But it's a 20 year design of a road, at which time it is anticipated that there will have to be some action to make that road back into really good quality again. That doesn't mean you necessarily tear the road out in 20 years and do it over again, but doing something to the road. CARL DeSPIEGELAERE: Well, I'd like to just say that I'm opposed to the project because I don't believe that there's been any alternatives explored. If there has been, I haven't heard of any. And I also believe that part of it is - a lot of the home owners, their aprons, driveways, are deteriorating. A lot of those that are in favor of it (inaudible). Also, the 75% that the City is going to pay, we all know that eventually that's going to come out of our pockets in taxes. So you're paying 75%, but we all know that we'll be paying it eventually. I think that if the home owners would contact the contractor, as a group, maybe they could get a pretty good price on their aprons - to have them repaired. MAYOR DEMOS: Let me comment on that 75%. As it is, the people are paying far more than that 75% now in maintenance costs on this type of street. When you get a hole that has (inaudible) and "spits out", as I refer to it, every year - those costs are getting higher and higher. That was the reason we considered this permanent street program in 1976 - because of the rising costs of maintenance on temporary streets. I am convinced that we are putting money down holes. They spit up repeatedly as long as you have a bad base underneath. If we get to the bottom - and I'm speaking of streets where there is bad base - and replace that - that good base holds and no longer spits out. This is one of my 5