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prone to - to use the Mayor's term - the lawn jobs, because the type of curb that is north of you on Merrill is mountable, at any location. That was the reason this was selected because in a new subdivision, no one knows where the driveways are going to be. If you put the - what we call up and down type of curbs in, every house would then be tearing out roughly 20 feet of the curb, which was just put in. Doing patch work on it never looks the same, so we use mountable curbs. In an area of your type, where we know where the driveways are, we feel it's preferable to use the vertical curb. It also provides a long-term benefit, if you were to use that term, in that at some point in the future you may wish to put an overlay on it. As we say, we look at this as a 20 year design, but maybe 25 years from now or something, it may be desirable to put a new wearing surface on it. If you have a very low - I'll use the word curb, like the mountable kinds - you put some asphalt on and suddenly you have no more gutter. It would almost be to the top of what those types of curbs have to provide for you. This gutter is really a very necessary part of the design from our perspective. It provides a way to carry the water and keep it away from the asphalt, because this is what deteriorates the road severely and fast - getting water down underneath the road. That causes the deterioration. So when we design a gutter, we feel that a better design is to have straight up and down curbs, although there's certainly nothing wrong with the other curb. We just think a straight up and down is a better design. in? MR. DALE CHARBONEAU: Which would be least expensive to put MR. HONCHELL: There's really not much difference. You're looking at a few cents one way or the other, depending on the bidder. MR. DALE CHARBONEAU: In the event that the street goes through, even though I'm against it, I might be overruled, and you have to bust up my driveway, which is concrete, will that be replaced? MR. HONCHELL: If you have a concrete driveway - I explained this "at one of the earlier hearings - typically the road isn't precisely where it was before, which means we're up an inch or two, we're down an inch or two - we usually have to do some sloping back on the driveways. That work would be done. If you have a concrete drive, we'd put concrete back in; if you have an asphalt drive, we put asphalt back in. That would be a normal part of the project. It would be (inaudible). MR. DALE CHARBONEAU: There would be no additional cost. Thank you. MAYOR DEMOS: Mr. Honchell, I'd like to ask you a question regarding a statement that Mr. Moline made. You were not the engineer at that time (inaudible) and I guess I find it difficult to believe that we have to lower the grade at one end of a block 7 1/2 feet to get proper drainage. Would you concur with that or disagree? 19